bambambeam (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

yes it was,astray manga proves it solid, he persuaded the confused canard pars inorder to become one and true ultimate coordinator(because he was a failed one)he must kill the real one which he introduce kira yamato for him to become "real"with that attempt for kira`s life who in turn was not even a pilot,though it failed thru the efforts of junkguild and prayer who guided his path,astray manga points its all and fills the plotholes perfectly,very good marketing strategy indeed

bambambeam (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

contrary to what it was really describe DP will make most of coordinators gain upperhand as they are genetically fit for this,simply merging them into one and finding jobs suitable for them will make not stop wars as it was,but by assign behavioural genes by advance genetics wars will be prevent, at a cost of their own freedom of though and speech,very much different to your concept

Weltall8000 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Thing is, ZAFT didn't have a gun pointed at NA or Orb initially. ZAFT had a gun in its holster, NA shouted "let's negotiate!" then drew its gun as it was running at ZAFT. ZAFT pulled out a bigger gun and fired before NA could.NA, didn't want peace, they were some of the largest antagonists of ZAFT the entire Seed-Seed Destiny timeframe. They happily fired nukes on the PLANTS, they happily fired Requiem on the PLANTS. They wanted genocide, not peace.

Weltall8000 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Emphatically, I disagree.EA, launches a large mass of ships, which are shown heading to ZAFT, after they say they want to negotiate. ZAFT, on various levels of command, takes this as a threat. The series explicitly shows them launching and moving through space. Dialog from multiple ZAFT soldiers also points them to approaching ZAFT.You have no evidence Copeland tried to contact multiple times, we are only shown one mention of possible negotiations, then they launch the fleet.

Weltall8000 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

For anything a price must be paid. However, from his actions, he did so in about the most bloodless way possible until his defeat.Rey was swept up in Kira's rhetoric. Kira gave Rey a false hope that he could never really obtain, I can't help but think Rey just defected in the end, more as insanity than really thinking it through.Really though, even though they do not actually ever give solid evidence that Durandel attempted to kill either of them prior to Angel Down, he probably should have.

Weltall8000 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

In the same sense, if we are even to assume what you say about the genetic manipulation for control were true, in our world we definitely have a myriad of social controls in place that limit people in their behaviors, actions, and thoughts.It was designed for both Coordinators and Naturals alike. It would integrate the two peoples. Coordinators don't really gain an upperhand as everyone is mixed together and as the plan goes, they cease being different groups and simply become humans.

bambambeam (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

in respond to zaft defense formation after declaring the DP the EF too,but their motives is clear and the series implied it directly,manga supported it that the pres.of EA wants negotiation,in turn gil snob it even his crew said the pres.was trying to contact him numerous times,yeah lets take that sample:you point a gun starring on me,in respond i point a gun too starring to you too but i said lets negotiate after that you fired at me,it was like that,again the requiem is all they want

Weltall8000 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

"except messiah who agressively defended"Keyword:"defended"Messiah was DEFENDING ZAFT acquired ZAFT territory/machinery, as Orb was ATTACKING ZAFT.Grunts that are thrown into battle are also basically sacrificed too. Commanders send them out knowing full well it is nigh impossible that 100% of their troops will come home. Isn't that virtually the same thing? The hope is, in both cases, to take out more enemies than allied losses. unchivalrous strategy perhaps, but basically always employed

bambambeam (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

ill check on that magazine when i return to take a vacation to kyoto,i dont seem to agree on this after i saw this one myself cause the actions of dullindal if you summed it all,he really paid a great price to make his dreams come true,which in turn even his most loyal and trusted follower rey turned back on him.astray manga points him to many events that lead him to attempt on assasinating lacus & kira even before kira was a pilot

Weltall8000 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I am unable to put the link in for the site of my source as well.I'm not necessarily doubting Lacus's intention to destroy Requiem, however, she did want to put forth the future she wanted and to do so, she was willing to kill many people in the process. Which is still a hostile overthrow.Requiem poses a threat to those that attack ZAFT, if they don't attack ZAFT, we have no reason to believe ZAFT will fire on them. Much like NATO countries have Nukes, but don't fire them at others.