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iswhatyoubelievetrue (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I wasn't using the Bible to do anything. God exists independent of the Bible. And the evidence will lead anyone to it. They just have to examine the evidence without bias. They have to look for themselves instead of putting their blind trust into people with titles and who write books who say so.
MrZhuKeeper (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
it is the scientist who studies god's creation, not those of you who read the bible. nature was created by god(if he exists). It's nature that disproves your bible, not the scientist.
iswhatyoubelievetrue (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Jesus actually said "fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Hell" Matt 10:28The payment for breaking God's Law is death. God kills people. There is just killing.We are responsible for our own actions. God is sovereign, but within His will He allows us to make choices and He allowed us to choose to sin or not. God cannot make someone sin, it would be contradictory to His nature.
iswhatyoubelievetrue (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
If I were God, no. You miss the point, He doesn't make them sin, He lets them choose. There are consequences to their actions. Should He have not created the people He knew that would sin? Should He force people to not sin? The purpose of giving us life was to willing choose Him, not out of compulsion, but He gave us a choice. There are consequences for our action, and God will give everyone what they deserve. He has provided a payment on behalf of us, but we must choose to accept it.
iswhatyoubelievetrue (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
In an atheistic worldview, there is no free will. In a theistic worldview, there is free will as long as God allows it.To forgive without justice, is like a judge overlooking a crime. That's not right. That is unjust, and would make the judge evil.Should a just judge just let murderers and rapists go if they say they are sorry?
justanothermouth (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Richard is right, life is possible but why do we think it is the same type or lower? What if we are a science experiment from higher beings who controlled the ecosystem just like we do with our little petri dishes? Little green men...naw. Higher life forms. Yes? No? Possible? Plausible?
megamarsvin (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Personally I think all killing is wrong. And I think Jesus agrees with me on that. Turn the other cheek, don't reciprocate with more violence.As for God not being responsible for our actions; "Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?" Romans 9:21
Aaberg123 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
"Shouldn't someone have to pay for their crimes?"Did I say otherwise? I pointed out that forgiveness and mercy is not serving justice. It's close to the opposite."...then He couldn't have made anyone, at least with free will and the ability to choose."Exactly. If God is real, then we do not have a free will (even though we may think we do). Everything is happening according to God's plan. Including Hell.Please answer my yes or no question from the last comment. It's not that hard.
iswhatyoubelievetrue (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
So rapists, and murderers should just go free? Isn't there such a thing as justice? Shouldn't someone have to pay for their crimes?Your question assumes I know everything. God is eternal, which is like existing throughout all time, but comprehending it like a moment, like it was all happening at the same time. If God only made people based on the knowledge that they would never sin and reject Him, then He couldn't have made anyone, at least with free will and the ability to choose.
Aaberg123 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
"He can't forgive someone, unless justice is somehow satisfied."That's not forgiveness. That's retribution."You can create any definition of evil that you want, but it doesn't make it so."Actually, I can. To take it in terms that we can relate to: Do you agree that giving birth to a child, knowing that you will send it into darkness and pain for all it's life, is evil.Yes or no? |
