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yo1o2eggs (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I need to buy his books.
Vanmeter815 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
The OT was an unfulfilled covenant, I think the distinction I made was made in light of what Jesus said. Jesus fulfilled the law set forth by God in the old covenant, the Jews were simply left with the old covenant in wait for a messiah to fulfill the incomplete old covenant. I am by no means a biblical expert, but that interpretation of how those laws relate to us now has made the most sense to me in light of scripture. Paul and Jesus also use the word law to refer only to the ten commandments.
Vanmeter815 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Well there is a distinction off the top of my head in the OT, and that's when according to Judeo-Christian tradition and scripture, God himself gave Moses the ten commandments, everything else he simply told Moses to write down. This does stress that the "law" is indeed above the rest. Also in the prophets are prophecies about the Jewish messiah. Jesus fulfilled the prophecies, and the distinction I made between certain laws are made in light of the new covenant set forth by Jesus.
DonsonJack (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Vanmeter.Sure laws you mentioned are ´categorized´ in such way, but can you find such a distinction from old testament anywhere ?Its classic claim this "moral laws still apply" but old testament does not really make such a distinction between those laws.
kadkins3663 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
True. No one who is truly rational believes that the absence of religion will eliminate intolerance - no more than making the sale of firearms would eliminate murder. But what it may do is help take away the ability to invoke mass attrcocities on the basis of dogma, and make us realize again that we are all human.
Vanmeter815 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
""Moral truth" does not contradict reality - like honour and beauty, it is an abstraction invented by humanity"Fair enough, but I am not one to look around at everything and attribute it to blind chance. I do not believe the universe is irrational, I do not believe that logic, good and evil are simply imagined. Now that you have told me your personal opinion of morality, why does your opinion hold any true validity over the sadistic murderer? or the psychopath? They have their own way...
Vanmeter815 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
The ten commandments apply fully, including the Sabbath. The day has only moved to Sunday, often called the Lord's day.Do you think people like the puritans would have any problem following the entire Old Testament? They already had the death penalty for sodomy, blasphemy and adultery. They didn't follow those laws because they had excellent theologians and exegetes who clearly knew what Christianity is and what it isn't, and how the law relates to us now.
Vanmeter815 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Why should people care about one another? They are just matter that is conscious of itself.Your view of what Christianity is and the difference between the old covenant and new really shows your understanding of the Judeo-Christian religion is terribly lacking. The laws located in the Pentateuch are categorized as moral, civil and priestly. Moral laws stay forever, even after the end of the world. The other two do not apply to anyone because we are not Hebrews who lived before Christ.
DragonsXXVI (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
It depends, some athiests are passionate about living things continuing to exist,and humans continuing to be conceived anddelivered, if you take that into considerationthen you would see that athiests can be opposed to homosexual filth just as any religious person.
Devilfulfillsme (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
HITLER had so much potential, Yet So little results! HE could have fixed the faggot problem! ATHEISM is the leprosy of the mind! atheists are so fucking disgusting,atheistsshould suicide! HOPE your in heaven HITLER, that will be JUSTICE! |